Newer comments are first:
Name: Withheld
Profession: Student
City, State: San Jose, CA
Date: 17 Dec 1998
Comments:
I have experimented the GHB many times and have mixed feelings
on the drug. A GHB "hangover" is a horrible state of depression,
slight nausea and irritability that sometimes you get and sometimes you don't.
If you do use it DO NOT DRIVE and DO NOT MIX ALCOHOL. If someone wants to
experiment with drugs, GHB is a volatile substance, so try something else.
It's unpredictability makes it dangerous...from a seasoned GHB veteran.
Name: Trinka Porrata
Profession: Police Officer/Drug Consultant
Email: Equus555@worldnet.att.net
City, State: Los Angeles, CA
Date: 27 Dec 1998
Comments:
As I continue my extensive research on GHB, the news only gets
worse. For so long the info was that this isn't an addictive drug and no big
deal. Now it is readily apparent that it is highly addictive and, worse yet,
getting off of it is tougher than many other drugs. Addicts stand by---you are
looking at two weeks in intensive care to shake it. Going into a regular drug
withdrawal program without a doctor specifically experienced in GHB is
dangerous. I recently interviewed a man who takes 20-30 capfuls per day just
to MAINTAIN. He gets no buzz from that dosage. But anything less sends him
into the violent shakes and horrible withdrawal pains associated with this
drug.
For those of you buying products now being touted as
"legal GHB" or "herbal GHB"----it is just an
"analog" of GHB and it is NOT legal, at least not in California;
California law prohibited its analogs as well as GHB. Unfortunately, the long
arm of the law just isn't always long enough to deal with everyone. In 25
years as a police officer, I find this drug the most dangerous in many ways.
With most drugs we can predict the effects of each dosage level with some
degree of accuracy. Not so with GHB.
Name: A Concerned Friend
From: Louisiana
Comments:
First of all, I would like to extend my sympathies to you and
everyone who knew and loved Caleb. I don't have an actual experience. I am
almost 22 years old and I have never touched a drug in my life. I haven't even
smoked a cigarette. I've always been hesitant to put drugs in my body always
believing that no one really knows how drugs will effect different people. I
do however know a lot of people who love GHB(liquid G, G, or blue monster as
it is called in my hometown). One of my friends fell asleep while stopped at a
red light in his truck. Two guys I know take GHB while at work and it seems to
me that they are addicted to it. I've never seen GHB before and I ask my
friends to respect me and not bring it around me. I plead with my friends to
stop. All I get in response is "It is not illegal and it is better for me
to do this than to do something else." I cry each time I find out that
another one of my friends has been sucked into the drug scene. They tell me
"Well, you only live once." I only wish that they would stop
increasing their chances that their one life would end so soon. I'll continue
praying for them in hopes that they will realize the dangers associated with
this drug. Thank you for this web site.
Name: Karen
Profession: sexual assault response program educator
Lynchburg, Va..
Date: 10 Dec 1998
Comments:
As an educator for a sexual assault response program, I am
pleased to see this type of site on the web. I am online now doing research
for a presentation on date rape drugs to the police academy. I know that the
facts are fuzzy on these drugs. I have even called the poison control, the DEA,
and the local drug enforcement, and no one can agree on what schedule, or
class. ( a drugs rating for toxicity and potential for abuse) these drugs are.
there are others out there. Check out Rohypnol, or roophies, a.k.a. X liquid X
etc. also there is Ketamine or special K. I could name many. These drugs are
not new. I am 26 and I remember these drugs being very popular in the Atlanta
club scene in the 80's. Girls watch out, it IS being used to commit rapes.
Watch your drinks. If a stranger gives you a drink, be polite, but don't drink
it. It is better to be rude than raped. For more info. contact your local
sexual assault team or law enforcement. kudos to you!!
Name: Unknown
Profession: Student
Date: 03 Dec 1998
Comments:
I've taken GHB twice. The first time it didn't effect me, but
the second time I was given a little more. I had one drink before the second
time, and I had I think I probably had a capful, but I'm not positive, because
it was placed in my drink straight from the bottle. I was feeling a buzz like
that compared to alcohol(that's all I can compare it to-I've never tried
anything else) and my whole body was really tingly. Then about 15min. later I
was feeling very dizzy and I was slurring my speech. Then I ran to the
bathroom, and I ended up staying there for over an hour. I was conscious but
pretty much unaware of what was going on. I felt really weak, and threw up
about five times. I felt fine other than tiredness and a stomach ache after
that for the next few hours and into the next day. Now that I know more about
GHB and I look back on my experience, it was kind of scary. I'm just lucky
that I had people there to take care of me, and I didn't get taken advantage
of. I know I'll never go near it again. I don't need to
Name: Brooke Marion
Profession: Student
Email: demar@airmail.net
Allen, TX
Date: 27 Nov 1998
Comments:
I went out with my 3 friends and 5 guys that I had never met
before. Once we met at their apartment, they offered us a drink--"orange
juice and some Greek liquor." Being the naive, trusting 18-year-old that
I am, I took it. Well, I figured if this is so strong, as they say it is, I'll
have one more small glass before we head off to the club. So 10 minutes and
two dosages later, I started to feel "drunk." At least that's what I
thought. However, two shots of any liquor had ever produced this
"euphoric" effect before. Still, I thought nothing of it. At the
bar, I had about 3 or 4 more drinks-these did not contain GHB, and my
intoxication seemed to be wearing off. So I wanted another one of those good
drinks I had before. So the guys took me out to the car, and out of the trunk
they pulled a plastic bottle which contained the "liquor." After
this drink, 5 minutes later I started feeling very strange. Dizziness, nausea,
disorientation, and confusion, not to mention my extreme sleepiness. In only a
couple of minutes, I passed out. Luckily my friend hadn't taken that extra
dose like I had, so she was able to watch me. Keep in mind that neither of us
knew at this point what had been put into our drinks. Had we known, I would
have been in the ER in a heartbeat. Luckily, I was able to vomit and get most
of it out of my system, I also experienced diarrhea and I was very agitated. I
drove home alone, and by the time I arrived at my house, the feeling had worn
off. I woke up the next morning with no hangover and I felt fine. The next
night, my friend told me the disturbing news--I had been slipped a "date
rape drug"--GHB. The guy who provided it to the guys that night was also
there, and he's one of the primary dealers of the drug in the Dallas area.
What I want to know is why? I have never in my life touched a drug other than
alcohol--not even marijuana. He violated my wishes, my morals, my safety. I
was one of the lucky ones.
Name: Leah
Profession: min wage job :(
Email: Rokitgrrl@hotmail.com
Downtown San Diego CA
Date: 22 Nov 1998
Comments:
Well I do not have an experience yet, YET, I'll admit I've
used lots of drugs, although never GHB. I have noticed an increase of it being
used here in San Diego. I happened upon this website after looking for info on
GHB, because one of my best friends has been using it and she told me all this
crazy stuff. Stuff like it tones your body without exercise, and that it's not
dangerous. I have read a lot about it and I'm pretty sure its nothing I'd
touch. I wanted to get the real info on it so I can warn her. I'm happy to say
I don't have a real experience to tell you about, and I hope I never do. I'm
very sorry to hear about Caleb, especially since he's from my area. Kids need
to know the real dangers if I can help, let me know. I hate to say it but I
know A LOT of people who do drugs.... I'm trying to inform people.... Oh, by
the way, I'm 22
Name: n/a
Profession: student
Boston, MA
Date: 10 Nov 1998
Comments:
I am a regular user of GHB, and I have had friends OD on GHB.
One just took too much and slept for a few hours. The other took GHB, snorted
some E, then took more GHB. (talk about being stupid) This sent her to the
hospital, which saved her life. While she knew all the facts, she didn't care.
Self destructive behavior should be blamed for this and not GHB by it self. I
believe GHB to be perfectly safe, if... You are completely healthy. Normal BP,
heart rate, and heart beat. Taking a safe amount. I consider that enough to
get high, but not enough to pass out. Alcohol kills if you drink too much, why
wouldn't GHB (though I'm not sure it does, its my best guess that it would).
Here's the reason I'm writing this, Please don't mix GHB and other drugs. This
will get you killed! I know from my friend, and from every report I have read
has said that the person mixed with another drug, or had health problems.
Alcohol, Speed, E, will give you problems when mixed with GHB. Even weed can
cause adverse effects when too much is smoked while on GHB, and that too much
is a lot less than what you may think. I really enjoyed your site, I found all
those other sites to be misleading because they call it safe. Its NOT safe,
its a drug. It may be safer, and more pleasant when taken in a responsible
amount. Please don't abuse it. The stupid people, and the people that make
mistakes about its correct use are giving it a bad light.
Name: Bijan Khaze
Profession: Graphic Designer
Email: Qboxer@aol.com
Toronto,Ontario
Date: 22 Oct 1998 Time: 12:53:21
Comments:
Hi my name is Bijan Khaze. I'm a 23 year old student at a
Design school in Toronto. I've been taking drugs for about 8 years now.
Ranging from cigs to pot to booze to lsd to coke to x to heroin to peyote to
household products when I had no choice.Then I was introduced to GHB.At first
taking a new drug is the best experience in the world(so one might
think).You'll all [messed] up and enjoying life, not realizing what's really
going on. Your not in reality the feelings your experiencing are not real.
They're altered. By the time you do realize what's going on it can be to
late.I've lost a girlfriend to GHB and I don't plan to on losing my life just
to get HIGH for the night and get laid.Which brings up another point I'd like
to mention. When one passes out on GHB, one is not aware of there
surroundings.Females beware.I've seen with my own two eyes 13 been raped by a
number of men and they don't even know it. Not using Condoms,who knows what
the results could be. Not only the females but also for the guys.Any STDs and
even pregnancy.The drug is every where and anybody can get it.Not to mention
anything else as well.My advice to parents be open with your children.Talk to
them about drugs.You may think that your child does not partake in any of
these drugs,about 75% of junior high & high school students do.It's a part
of growing up as you've probably experienced yourself.Be open and supportive
if you can.The worst thing you could do is find out your child's been doing
drugs is to Freak out.Talk, share thoughts and watch there
attitude,friends,and cash flow.If there sleeping habits change new
friends,skipping family events,fighting with siblings and decreasing food
consumption. These are all signs of drug users.Some may be worse than others
but its all the same. If anybody has any questions on any related issues
please feel free to E-mail me through this site.THX
Anya,
I receive many e-mails criticizing our web site at UF.
I also receive the praise and questions of curious students.
We have undoubtedly saved a few.
You also will save a few. And it is definitely worth it.
Good luck and you are to be congratulated on your efforts.
Michael S. Okun, M.D.
Name: withheld
Profession: sales/student
charleston,sc
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Comments:
I've been taking GHB for about three years now. I think it's
the best drug. I have had both good and bad experiences with it. I've passed
out in many public places. Most of my jobs I work with the public in sales or
as a server as a restaurant. It gives you great social skills and it seems
that you have this aura that everyone can feel around you. One thing that
worries me is how much I take. I take about 20-25 1/2 tbls. a day. I worried
about what its doing to my body. so far nothing has happed yet except for a
few bumps and bruises. One thing I did notice is that when you take this much.
Its hard to function w/o it. I've gone through some major withdrawal symptoms
such as shakes, irritability, unable to sleep, and many others.
Name: Josh
Profession: student
Email: macndacow@aol.com
CO
Date: 14 Oct 1998
Comments:
I found it to be pleasant and I was very active while under
the influence. However. since I took my dose during the day towards the
evening, about 8:00 PM, I passed out hard after I had came down. It was good,
it had no noticeable side effects and that's why it scares me.
Date: 10/03/98
Comments:
California lost another one to GHB in August in Santa Barbara
county. How awful his girlfriend must feel to have watched him take several
drugs, including multiple doses of GHB and watched him vomit and lose control
of body functions all over himself.....and then she left to go to work,
assuming he'd just sleep it off. But, he didn't. Once again.......a 911 call
might have made the difference.
I'm sure your readers aren't yet aware of the LA area 18 year
old who was given GHB by his martial arts instructor; he passed out, hit his
head on the curb and severed the optic nerve in one eye. He's blind in one eye
at such a young age. Everywhere I teach in the U.S., within a week or two,
they are making GHB arrests. I prefer teaching in preventive situations, but
gotta do whatever. By the way, one of the biggest Internet kit sellers hit the
dirt....the long arm of the law finally swung into action. Hopefully more will
hit the bucket. It is just so sad how technology such as the Internet is so
readily and often abused.
Name: Nichelle Isaacson
Profession: liberal studies major chico state
City, State: chico ca
Date: 28 Sep 1998
Comments:
my ex boyfriend does it and I'm very scared for him. I cried
when I read the journal entries. How can I get him to stop taking large
doses???? Everyone from my hometown of Tracy California does it and they don't
know the results of it. Some of the guys make it and use liquid drain-o. I'm
scared for them because they are still young kids about to graduate from
highschool. They are messing up their futures. - nichelle, chico ca.
Name withheld
Comments:
I was at a party last night and GHB was slipped into my drink.
Fortunately I was with some I trusted to protect me so I wasn't raped. This is
a very dangerous drug and it is on all college campuses used for raping girls.
It made me black out and I couldn't recall anything but vomiting. This drug
seriously needs to be watched and get taken off the streets.When girls take
this drug unaware it was slipped go unconscious and can't recall what happens.
So please take this drug under consideration before distributing it.
City, State: Colton, CA
Date: 27 Sep 1998
Comments:
I found the drug to be entirely pleasant. It provided a very
similar buzz to that of alcohol, but did not include any of the unpleasant
features such as nausea, dizziness or headaches. I took a very small dosage (1
capful - about 1 teaspoon full) and I was happy for the rest of the night. I
slept very well that night and felt wonderful in the morning. My only concern
was in the lack of reliable information on the drug and its aftereffects.
Everyone has to agree that it sounds a little too good to be true.
Date: 18 Sep 1998
Comments:
I was reluctant to try GHB the other night, but I did...I can
see why people enjoy it so much, I was having a great time enjoying every
little move I made because all my muscles were tingling...So my friend and I
walked to my boyfriends house...on the way I experienced horrible nausea and
started to dry heave...almost passing out...when I got to my boyfriends house
I proceeded in heaving and eventually passed out...My boyfriend remained up
the whole night making sure I was o.k...I realized that I had taken way to
much, and I doubt I will ever do it again...the most embarrassing thing about
it was that while I was passed out cold, I peed in the bed, and my breathing
(according to my boyfriend) would gradually decrease and sound like it
stopped...That scares me to think that that happened
Comments:
I "researched" GHB online before trying it. I found
NO negative websites whatsoever on it, so I gave it a try. To say the least,
it gave me and my partner shingles (which appear only when the body is under
great stress). The incredibly painful shingles lasted several weeks, even
while taking famvir. I will NEVER take GHB again EVER. Please get the word
out. GHB is very harmful on your body. I've even tried crack cocaine twice,
and think GHB is harsher on my body than crack.
Regards,
S
Name: withheld
Profession: Chemist
City, State: Palo Alto, CA
Date: 10 Sep 1998
Comments:
I was very excited when I first started to read all the
wonderful claims about GHB on the internet, so I bought a kit and made some (I
also ordered pharmaceutical grade material from Biogenesis Labs). I tried
minimal doses of 100mgs to 500mgs several times. After 4 or 5 doses, spaced
out over several weeks, I noticed a peculiar feeling the morning after. It's
not easy to describe, but sort of like waking from a deep sleep in the middle
of the night feeling sort of "woozy". This feeling persisted several
days. When I tried GHB again, I experienced the same result. It has taken
about 4 weeks for this strange sensation to subside entirely. I am not sure
what was going on and have not seen this described anywhere else. All I know
is that it was real and intense at times. Obviously, GHB is not fully
understood and there must be some unknown interactions going on in the brain.
I will definitely not be trying it again. Do not use my name if you put this
on the net anywhere.
Name: J bell
Profession: jeweler
Email: hgdiv@aol.com
Date: 09 Sep 1998
Comments:
I became addicted to GHB after about three weeks of using it
daily. The withdrawal symptoms are worse than heroin which I have gone
through.
Comments
As I read you pages, the salt laced drops of water hit my
keys, bringing back the flood of memories once pushed back so far as not to
remember the loss of my best friend. The loss of my best friend over such a <expletive>
stupid thing as a drug.. the drug... GHB.. (To us, GH Buddy) I have re-posted
this URL (http://www.ashesonthesea.com/ghb/index.htm) to over 1000 newsgroups,
webs, gopher sites and alike across the information waste-land, in hopes of
informing just one soul, even if one, I will feel better for the stupidity I
once joined in to.
Watch your Children, Love them, Never let them "break
away"
In memory,
Jason
Name: Jeff Thomas
Profession: Licensed Clinical Social Worker (psychotherapist)
Email: ktnkt@connectnet.com
Web:
San Diego, CA
Date: 19 Jul 1998
Comments:
I read your article in the 6/28/98 edition of the San Diego
Union Tribune. I a psychotherapist (Licensed Clinical Social Worker) and have
worked with both personal problems, mental illness, depression and substance
abuse for some time. I have a private practice and had a client seek my
services for GHB addiction. Although I have been in the field for 10 years, I
hadn't heard of GHB and when even when I spoke to a local and well known detox
center they did not know what it was. I looked on the Internet and much to
your experience listed in the article much of the information was in favor of
its use. I did find some websites which told about the abuse of GHB. I mostly
learned about it through my client. I have learned about how greatly
destructive it is physical and mentally. I would just like to offer my support
of your newsletter and your getting the message out there. If you have any
further questions or feel that I could be of help in some way please feel free
to e-mail me or give me a call. I have a private practice where I see all
sorts of problems and will be starting a website soon for on line consultation
for mental health information and personal issues. I did not write this e-mail
to push myself or services at all but I was greatly pleased to see the article
and plan on Xeroxing it for my clients. I also commend the San Diego Tribune
for printing an article like this which has so little press in general. Thank
you again.
Jeff Thomas
Name: withheld
Date: 01 Jul 1998
Time: 20:19:17
Comments
You pretty much, hit the nail on the head!
Message Type: Experience
Subject: Other Media Report
Subject: 6-28 Spokane, WA news report
Name: Danna Metcalf
Profession: Office work
Email: dnd@clarkston,com
City, State: Clarkston, WA
Date: 29 Jun 1998
Time: 01:50:40
Comments
6-28-98---Dear Mrs. Shortridge and family, I heard about you
on a news report that I saw tonight and I would like to send you our sincerest
sympathy for the loss of your son. How that must be a terrible experience for
you all. It is VERY commendable of you to share your experience with others,
even designing a web page for it. What a way to put your energy into something
that will warn about the dangers. . .
With concern, Danna
Comments:
What prompted me to read your web-page was an article in the
San Diego
Union Tribune about GHB and your son. First of all, I am so sorry that
this happened to you. Words cannot express. Secondly, I am so
infuriated that there are companies that are allowed to sell GHB kits on
the Internet! Of course, they have their disclaimers, but that is
simply to cover themselves. What they are really doing is selling
illegal drug kits to our children. Shoot, it's like selling cocaine or
heroin over the Internet and simply having a disclaimer makes it ok, I
guess. And FED X can even overnight it!
WHERE IS THE FDA? Why are these companies allowed to do this?
It really scares me anymore how our country has spiraled into such a
state of decline. I continually pray for protection for my children from
these maniacs.
Lauri Trunnel
Comments:
I lost my Fiance to GHB on May 17, 1998. I never heard of this
drug. I am a Emergency Medical Technician and he was a R.N. Both 42 years old.
My heart goes out to you and yours. . . god bless you and your family. . .
~ Name withheld
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